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Postby hoel4800 » Tue Nov 16, 2010 5:47 pm

I'll throw a couple names out---
UNC's gotta look at Dan Hawkins. He'd be cheap (CU paid him $1.8 mil to go away), and he'd be willing to listen....He failed in Boulder because he couldn't turn CU into another Boise State, but that would be doable in Greeley....

Try Texas WR's coach Bobby Kennedy---Boulder native and UNC alum. Friends in Austin tell me Mack Brown is looking to make changes on that side of the ball, and Kennedy may be on his way out the door. Normally, he may say no to UNC, but seeing as how he might be a fall guy for UT, Jay has to ask. He'd probably cost a little more than they'd want to pay, but the guy can get the talent UNC would need to succeed in the Big Sky.
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Re: Start the new coach wish lists.....

Postby Beardown » Tue Nov 16, 2010 6:05 pm

1. Joe Glenn
2. Greg Peterson
3. Bobby Kennedy
5. Dan Hawkins
6. Marty English
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Re: Start the new coach wish lists.....

Postby #1bearsfan » Tue Nov 16, 2010 6:26 pm

Beardown wrote:1. Joe Glenn
2. Greg Peterson
3. Bobby Kennedy
5. Dan Hawkins
6. Marty English


Would you get over the Joe Glenn and Marty English crap? They're the past, has-beens, this program needs new blood, an up and comer. Please, we're tired of hearing the same old names over and over. Stop pining about the good ol' days - they're over!
As far as Peterson, you've got to ask yourself why he was demoted during the season as OC at Colorado State. Also, wasn't it you Beardown bitching about his play calling? "running it up the middle all the time".

How about a proven winner with an aggressive, up-tempo, modern offense like the head coach at CO School of Mines? What about Dave Logan? If he wants to coach at a big time program in the future perhaps this is the place to start. He's already had a lot of experience recruiting at Mullen so that shouldn't be a problem.
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Re: Start the new coach wish lists.....

Postby Blofeld » Tue Nov 16, 2010 6:27 pm

Why hire the coordinator from the staff that just failed so epically?

If that's all you're going to do why bother firing Downing?
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Re: Start the new coach wish lists.....

Postby uncfootballrules » Tue Nov 16, 2010 6:39 pm

Would love to see Joe back, do not think it will happen.

Personally, I think Bob Stitt at Mines is the guy. ALways has a good team and has a severe handicap in recruiting given admissions requirements. Time to bring a proven winner here.

Would be open to Dave Logan.

Just excited that they finally show they care - it will be interesting to see who they get.
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Re: Start the new coach wish lists.....

Postby Blofeld » Tue Nov 16, 2010 6:46 pm

Like I've said before I'd go get someone that has run a program and won football games so for us that would probably be a DII guy.

One conference I'd go look at is the Mid-America Intercollegiate Athletic Association.
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Re: Start the new coach wish lists.....

Postby Beardown » Tue Nov 16, 2010 6:55 pm

#1bearsfan wrote:
Beardown wrote:1. Joe Glenn
2. Greg Peterson
3. Bobby Kennedy
5. Dan Hawkins
6. Marty English


Would you get over the Joe Glenn and Marty English crap? They're the past, has-beens, this program needs new blood, an up and comer. Please, we're tired of hearing the same old names over and over. Stop pining about the good ol' days - they're over!
As far as Peterson, you've got to ask yourself why he was demoted during the season as OC at Colorado State. Also, wasn't it you Beardown bitching about his play calling? "running it up the middle all the time".

How about a proven winner with an aggressive, up-tempo, modern offense like the head coach at CO School of Mines? What about Dave Logan? If he wants to coach at a big time program in the future perhaps this is the place to start. He's already had a lot of experience recruiting at Mullen so that shouldn't be a problem.


No, I wasn't complaining about Peterson. I actually don't mind his play calling and I like his recruiting ties. Dave Logan? Hell no! Know one knows who that guy is outside the state of Colorado.
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Re: Start the new coach wish lists.....

Postby #1bearsfan » Tue Nov 16, 2010 8:41 pm

Beardown wrote:
#1bearsfan wrote:
Beardown wrote:
Dave Logan? Hell no! Know one knows who that guy is outside the state of Colorado.


A little bit about Dave Logan:


Former University of Colorado sports star Dave Logan redefines the meaning of what an athlete is. The Oxford English Dictionary defines an athlete as ‘a person who is proficient in sports and other forms of physical exercise,’ and surely he fits into that category, but Logan was much more than that.

At Wheatridge High School in Denver, Logan played three sports at the varsity level. He excelled in baseball, football, and basketball. On the football field, Logan compiled some very impressive statistics with 70 catches for 1,600 yards and 19 touchdowns as a senior.

After his senior year in high school, the Cincinnati Reds drafted Logan in the 19th round of the June Major League Baseball draft. They wanted him to play infielder or pitcher. But he declined and opted to go to college.

“I sent letters to every Major League Baseball team, and at the time if you signed a professional contract you could not come back and play any sport in college,” said Logan. “But I really just wanted to go to school, so baseball was never really an option for me. I wanted to go to college and see what that was all about.”

Logan had over 200 scholarship offers to play sports at the college level, but eventually decided to come to Boulder and play for the Buffaloes.

“That was the right place for me to play. Coach Eddie Crowder was instrumental in getting me up there. He said that I could accomplish what I wanted to accomplish there,” said Logan of CU. “And also, having my family and friends only 28 miles down the road was good because they could come watch me play.”


Dave Logan was drafted by three different
professional leagues: NFL, NBA and MLB.
Once Logan got to the Colorado campus, he did more of the same; excelling in athletics. In his first year, the NCAA allowed true freshman to participate in varsity sports for the first time since the 1950’s, and Logan did just that. He was the only freshman in 1972 to letter in football and/or basketball. He only recorded one catch for 18 yards, but played enough in reserve to receive a letter in football.

On October 21, 1972, the Buffs played host to the No. 2 ranked Oklahoma Sooners. The Buffs went on the win that game 20-14, and Logan notes that game as one of the most memorable of his time at CU.

“I remember when we beat Oklahoma in Boulder my freshman year. They were ranked No. 2 in the country, and I remember how fired up the crowd was prior to the game. Our team was so emotional when we took the field due to the crowd,” recalled Logan. “I don’t think I even played in the game, I was just a freshman. But I remember during warm ups that there was so much energy in the stadium, and I had never experienced anything like that.”

In basketball that season, he played in 13 games and averaged 12.4 points per contest.

The next season at CU, Dave Logan earned the starting wing back spot for coach Crowder’s offense. He ended up second on the team in catches with 22, and first on the team in both receiving yards with 395 and receiving touchdowns with four, which was double that of eventual first round pick J.V. Cain.

In the 1973-74 basketball season, Logan competed in all 26 games and averaged 15.9 points and 6.7 rebounds per game, which were both second on the team.

In the preseason leading up to his junior year, he was named a Playboy All-American for football, the first Buff to ever accomplish that feat as a non-senior (CU kicker Mason Crosby joined him in 2005). He continued to excel throughout his junior year in football where he was the team’s leading receiver with 21 catches, but he an MCL in his knee against Oklahoma State in Stillwater and had to sit out the basketball season.

With the start of the 1975 football season, Logan was widely considered as one of the best players in the country at his position. He caught 23 passes for 393 yards which awarded him first team All-American status by the Sporting News. He caught 68 passes for 1,078 yards in his CU career, numbers that both ranked second at the time of his graduation and remain in the top 20 all-time.

In what would be his final season of basketball at CU, Logan was second on the team in scoring and in rebounding. In his career, Logan averaged 14.1 points in 58 career games.

So now a decision had to be made. Which sport to pursue in pros. Logan was drafted in the ninth round of the ’76 NBA draft by the Kansas City Kings, and in the third round of the ’76 NFL draft by the Cleveland Browns. He was drafted in three separate professional sports leagues, which is a feat that only he and hall-of-fame baseball player Dave Winfield have ever accomplished.

“My standard answer is ‘A moment of insanity,’ said Logan of why he chose football over basketball. “But considering where I was drafted in football (65th overall), I decided to give that a try, and I don’t regret my decision.”

Dave Logan moved to Cleveland where he played the first seven seasons of his professional football career.

“I never spent any time in Ohio, so it was kind of a culture shock. However, it turned out really good. They love football there, and if your good than they appreciate what you can do.”

He earned the reputation of being a clutch performer for the Browns by making plays and converting on third down. In the 1983 season, Logan only caught 33 passes, but 15 of those were on third or fourth down, and gave the offense a first down.

After the 1983 season, Logan signed a contract to comeback to Colorado and play for the Denver Broncos.

“Coming back to Denver means a lot to me,” Logan stated when he signed with the Broncos. “It means a chance to come home, where, hopefully my home will be after my football days are over.”

And that is exactly what happened, after the ’84 season Logan retired from football where he played in 119 NFL games with Cleveland and Denver, and caught 263 passes for 4,250 yards and 24 touchdowns in his pro career.

Currently, Dave Logan is the radio voice of the Denver Broncos on KOA. He is also the head football coach at Mullen High School in Denver, which one of the top high school programs in the state. Logan takes great pleasure in coaching young men.

“I think that seeing the development of young men, not only as players, but also as watching them grow up as ninth graders until they leave as seniors,” said Logan. “You spend a lot of time with those kids, and it is great to see how hard they work.”

Dave Logan fits the description of what an athlete is, but considering all he has accomplished en-route to the Colorado Athletic Hall of Fame, he has redefined what an athlete should strive to become.

Beardown, ever hear of Lendale White? Who'd he play for? Dave Logan. Where'd he go to school? Southern Cal. Do you think many kids in CA remember Lendale White? Logan's connections throughout the NFL should be attractive to any recruit who's interested in playing at the next level. Additionally, he works his butt off getting college football scholarships for his players. I think that's an indication of what he'd do to get college players to the pros.
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Re: Start the new coach wish lists.....

Postby FasterThanYou » Tue Nov 16, 2010 10:20 pm

Dave Logan has a good situation where he is, I don't think he's coming to UNC. :mrgreen:

But I hear Steve Fairchild's seat is getting warmer...

He was 3-9 last year and he's 3-8 so far this year, with a chance to make it 4-8 (or 3-9 again) with his last game this season coming up against Wyoming.
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Re: Start the new coach wish lists.....

Postby #1bearsfan » Tue Nov 16, 2010 10:35 pm

FasterThanYou wrote:Dave Logan has a good situation where he is, I don't think he's coming to UNC. :mrgreen:

But I hear Steve Fairchild's seat is getting warmer...

He was 3-9 last year and he's 3-8 so far this year, with a chance to make it 4-8 (or 3-9 again) with his last game this season coming up against Wyoming.


Fairchild hasn't been able to get it done at CSU. Why would we want him at UNC? Once again, IMO UNC needs a proven winner to compete at the top level of this conference.
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Re: Start the new coach wish lists.....

Postby gobears2010 » Wed Nov 17, 2010 12:12 am

Dan Hawkins and Steve Fairchild are really stupid ideas. Why replace one miserable failure with another miserable failure?
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Re: Start the new coach wish lists.....

Postby Beardown » Wed Nov 17, 2010 9:02 am

I lowered Marty English on my list because he is really struggling as a coordinator at Wyoming. They have a horrible defense.
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Re: Start the new coach wish lists.....

Postby FasterThanYou » Wed Nov 17, 2010 9:53 am

gobears2010 wrote:Dan Hawkins and Steve Fairchild are really stupid ideas. Why replace one miserable failure with another miserable failure?


I wasn't suggesting Fairchild should be here, just pointing out that both UNC and CU have fired their HC's this year - a week apart - for generally sucking, why not make it the Trifecta with CSU starting over too? (But CSU will probably give him five years, they often do.)

I heard that some of the coaches at CSU Pueblo are doing a good job, any looks that way?
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Re: Start the new coach wish lists.....

Postby Beardown » Wed Nov 17, 2010 12:03 pm

#1bearsfan wrote:
Beardown wrote:
#1bearsfan wrote:
Beardown wrote:
Dave Logan? Hell no! Know one knows who that guy is outside the state of Colorado.


A little bit about Dave Logan:


Former University of Colorado sports star Dave Logan redefines the meaning of what an athlete is. The Oxford English Dictionary defines an athlete as ‘a person who is proficient in sports and other forms of physical exercise,’ and surely he fits into that category, but Logan was much more than that.

At Wheatridge High School in Denver, Logan played three sports at the varsity level. He excelled in baseball, football, and basketball. On the football field, Logan compiled some very impressive statistics with 70 catches for 1,600 yards and 19 touchdowns as a senior.

After his senior year in high school, the Cincinnati Reds drafted Logan in the 19th round of the June Major League Baseball draft. They wanted him to play infielder or pitcher. But he declined and opted to go to college.

“I sent letters to every Major League Baseball team, and at the time if you signed a professional contract you could not come back and play any sport in college,” said Logan. “But I really just wanted to go to school, so baseball was never really an option for me. I wanted to go to college and see what that was all about.”

Logan had over 200 scholarship offers to play sports at the college level, but eventually decided to come to Boulder and play for the Buffaloes.

“That was the right place for me to play. Coach Eddie Crowder was instrumental in getting me up there. He said that I could accomplish what I wanted to accomplish there,” said Logan of CU. “And also, having my family and friends only 28 miles down the road was good because they could come watch me play.”


Dave Logan was drafted by three different
professional leagues: NFL, NBA and MLB.
Once Logan got to the Colorado campus, he did more of the same; excelling in athletics. In his first year, the NCAA allowed true freshman to participate in varsity sports for the first time since the 1950’s, and Logan did just that. He was the only freshman in 1972 to letter in football and/or basketball. He only recorded one catch for 18 yards, but played enough in reserve to receive a letter in football.

On October 21, 1972, the Buffs played host to the No. 2 ranked Oklahoma Sooners. The Buffs went on the win that game 20-14, and Logan notes that game as one of the most memorable of his time at CU.

“I remember when we beat Oklahoma in Boulder my freshman year. They were ranked No. 2 in the country, and I remember how fired up the crowd was prior to the game. Our team was so emotional when we took the field due to the crowd,” recalled Logan. “I don’t think I even played in the game, I was just a freshman. But I remember during warm ups that there was so much energy in the stadium, and I had never experienced anything like that.”

In basketball that season, he played in 13 games and averaged 12.4 points per contest.

The next season at CU, Dave Logan earned the starting wing back spot for coach Crowder’s offense. He ended up second on the team in catches with 22, and first on the team in both receiving yards with 395 and receiving touchdowns with four, which was double that of eventual first round pick J.V. Cain.

In the 1973-74 basketball season, Logan competed in all 26 games and averaged 15.9 points and 6.7 rebounds per game, which were both second on the team.

In the preseason leading up to his junior year, he was named a Playboy All-American for football, the first Buff to ever accomplish that feat as a non-senior (CU kicker Mason Crosby joined him in 2005). He continued to excel throughout his junior year in football where he was the team’s leading receiver with 21 catches, but he an MCL in his knee against Oklahoma State in Stillwater and had to sit out the basketball season.

With the start of the 1975 football season, Logan was widely considered as one of the best players in the country at his position. He caught 23 passes for 393 yards which awarded him first team All-American status by the Sporting News. He caught 68 passes for 1,078 yards in his CU career, numbers that both ranked second at the time of his graduation and remain in the top 20 all-time.

In what would be his final season of basketball at CU, Logan was second on the team in scoring and in rebounding. In his career, Logan averaged 14.1 points in 58 career games.

So now a decision had to be made. Which sport to pursue in pros. Logan was drafted in the ninth round of the ’76 NBA draft by the Kansas City Kings, and in the third round of the ’76 NFL draft by the Cleveland Browns. He was drafted in three separate professional sports leagues, which is a feat that only he and hall-of-fame baseball player Dave Winfield have ever accomplished.

“My standard answer is ‘A moment of insanity,’ said Logan of why he chose football over basketball. “But considering where I was drafted in football (65th overall), I decided to give that a try, and I don’t regret my decision.”

Dave Logan moved to Cleveland where he played the first seven seasons of his professional football career.

“I never spent any time in Ohio, so it was kind of a culture shock. However, it turned out really good. They love football there, and if your good than they appreciate what you can do.”

He earned the reputation of being a clutch performer for the Browns by making plays and converting on third down. In the 1983 season, Logan only caught 33 passes, but 15 of those were on third or fourth down, and gave the offense a first down.

After the 1983 season, Logan signed a contract to comeback to Colorado and play for the Denver Broncos.

“Coming back to Denver means a lot to me,” Logan stated when he signed with the Broncos. “It means a chance to come home, where, hopefully my home will be after my football days are over.”

And that is exactly what happened, after the ’84 season Logan retired from football where he played in 119 NFL games with Cleveland and Denver, and caught 263 passes for 4,250 yards and 24 touchdowns in his pro career.

Currently, Dave Logan is the radio voice of the Denver Broncos on KOA. He is also the head football coach at Mullen High School in Denver, which one of the top high school programs in the state. Logan takes great pleasure in coaching young men.

“I think that seeing the development of young men, not only as players, but also as watching them grow up as ninth graders until they leave as seniors,” said Logan. “You spend a lot of time with those kids, and it is great to see how hard they work.”

Dave Logan fits the description of what an athlete is, but considering all he has accomplished en-route to the Colorado Athletic Hall of Fame, he has redefined what an athlete should strive to become.

Beardown, ever hear of Lendale White? Who'd he play for? Dave Logan. Where'd he go to school? Southern Cal. Do you think many kids in CA remember Lendale White? Logan's connections throughout the NFL should be attractive to any recruit who's interested in playing at the next level. Additionally, he works his butt off getting college football scholarships for his players. I think that's an indication of what he'd do to get college players to the pros.


Recruiting high school kids in Colorado is far different from recruiting on the national stage. Logan was an athlete a many decades ago and his connections are long gone. I really don't like the idea of him even being mentioned for coach.
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Re: Start the new coach wish lists.....

Postby Ursa Major » Wed Nov 17, 2010 3:26 pm

Dave Logan won't do it. He makes too much money with Mullen ( Private school=Private $) and his gig with KOA. UNC would be a step backwards for him.
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Re: Start the new coach wish lists.....

Postby Blofeld » Wed Nov 17, 2010 7:21 pm

Not to mention he would never come rebuild here he wants to step into a ready made situation if it's not CU so he could gravy train a few years and move on... My opinion but if the guy was serious about being a college coach he would have worked his way up the ladder instead of going to Mullen.

Also, high school coaches that go directly to college have historically alwyas flopped... Go ask some N. Texas fans how their hot shot high school coach worked out, they just fired the guy after he crashed and burned and the guy was a championship caliber H.S. coach in Texas.
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Re: Start the new coach wish lists.....

Postby GoBears » Wed Nov 17, 2010 7:27 pm

My first instinct would be to hire someone who has a proven record as a HC, but we would have to look to the DII ranks, and when a coach has to jump up a level it does not always work out, especially considering UNC is not exactly flush with resources. Sometimes finding a great assistant from your level or higher (major assistant, not the *#$%@ special teams coach), who maybe has some HC experience at a lower level is a good pickup. Its really about finding the right guy, when they make the hire it should just 'click', honestly Downing just never had that feeling for me.

Some things that could make a guy 'click' at UNC:
-Solid experience at a successful program.
-Colorado/UNC connections
-History of success at programs with limited resources
-Ambition and energy(double edged sword; see Boyle, Tad)
-Fire and an unwillingness to accept anything less than success.

I'll be very interested to see who applies. In my mind UNC could be in a bit of a tough spot because the job is not nearly as attractive as it was 5 years ago. Back then UNC had just moved up, gotten into a solid conference, we were setting attendance records and had a whole pile of facility upgrades on the way. Now the program is in the toilet, attendance is abysmal, and we are a joke in the conf. The only plus is that we do have that shiny new training facility. Look at what it took to get Boyle here, he didn't even really apply, and we had to come back to him with more $ and scholarships.

As far as some of the names tossed out go:
-Joe Glenn: Of course, but not gonna happen, why would he? Even if he wanted to coach again (which he said he doesn't) why would he go to UNC over Montana, where he also has a history and would have infinitely more resources.
-Dave Logan: Again don't think he would, but it would be an intriguing hire. The guy is a legend in CO and he could deff help recruit CO players, and it might just provide the spark that the program desperately needs. That said its a big jump from HS to FCS.
-Dan Hawkins: He sucked at CU and I would be leery of any 'rebound' hire.
-Marty English: Again leery of a 'rebound' hire. Plus he just doesn't strike me as HC material, he has been an assistant for something like 20 seasons? There is probably a reason he has never really moved up to a HC job.
-Bob Stitt: Probably a realistic option, and he certainly meets many of the things on my 'click' list
-Bobby Kennedy: Don't know much about him, I like the connections, but he does he have any exp as a major coordinator or HC?

Holy crap, that wound up being long...guess I've had some pent up posting energy.
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Re: Start the new coach wish lists.....

Postby Bearsfan24 » Wed Nov 17, 2010 8:01 pm

If they go the D2 route, they need somebody that has had success at the D2 level. Don't know much about the Mines guy, but he has built a pretty decent program there. Logan? No way. I don't know how much coaching he actually does when you have all the good players in the metro area going to your school. They need somebody that has some good connects, especially here in CO, and knows what the hell they're doing.
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Re: Start the new coach wish lists.....

Postby Beardown » Wed Nov 17, 2010 9:44 pm

I don't want to go the D2 route. It's much easier to win at that level now that the NCC isn't there any longer. Any decent coach would do great things at that level.
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Re: Start the new coach wish lists.....

Postby Bengal! » Wed Nov 17, 2010 9:52 pm

What about Mick McCall, currently the OC at Northwestern?

http://nusports.cstv.com/sports/m-footb ... ick00.html

I'm sure he's doing alright for himself as the OC for a Big 10 program, but he expressed interest and was a finalist for the ISU job 4 years ago when Zamberlin ended up getting it. I was hoping ISU would have hired him then, but the past is the past. Some guys just want to lead their own program, no matter the price, so who knows.

He knows Colorado, coached HS ball there, played his college ball in Pueblo, and has been on the staff at Wyoming.

Just thought I'd throw in my two cents as an outsider!
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